gillpolack ([info]gillpolack) wrote,
@ 2006-03-23 15:15:00
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Not about quails (or chickens)
A book I read this week got me thinking. Feminists and historians and fiction writers often work against each other's goals unintentionally, simply because of the nature of what they do and who they are. What gets really fun is when you get a feminist historian fiction writer.

In an ideal world for feminists, women have strong and achievable choices presented to them in popular fiction that will help open vistas for their own lives. While women now appear as major protagonists in a lot of genre books, they often score badly on the DAMN Feminist Index (if one excepts romance and chick lit) and if you analyse them critically (including romance and chick lit), the standard spectrum of roles is quite limited. Some feminists complain - rightly - that this creates a problem for facilitating cultural change and expanding options for individual women. When we grow and change throughout our lives it really helps if we don't have to experience all possibilities personally. So limited range of models equates to limited choices for all but a few imaginative and extraordinarily strong women.

Except that the writers who write these limited choices into their fiction are following their personal writing dreams. Making their own difficult choices in an amazingly tough industry. They are also being professional in their career choices: choosing themes people already read about and enjoy means they have audiences. Writing for a market is a legitimate thing to do. Making a living is not a bad thing.

The point is that the market doesn't currently sustain the range of views necessary to changing society to ofer more or easier options for women. The shape of the publishing sector and how rewards are handed out are factors that can't be forgotten. In fact, they *inform* many writing decisions by successful authors.

It takes a brave writer to say, "I can live on less/no money - I am going to break the mold." While there are writers who break out and do innovative things and change who we are, they are not even 5% of the whole. The vast bulk of writing accepted by editors for publication pushes boundaries only gently, because that is the path to sales.

Telling a good story is usually more important than challenging society if you are making a living telling stories or editing stories for the telling.

When you get down to it, many writers don't even examine it from this angle. We write from our heart and use our knowledge of how to tell a tale using current paradigms. Unless our heart is the heart of an Ursula le Guin, we tend to deal with what we know, not what we have yet to discover. And even Le Guin can depict women according to the broad culture of her time, rather than according to the dreams of a thoughtful minority. Grab the Wizard of Eathsea and analyse it on the DAMN Feminist Index for a sad result. Le Guin's testing of boundaries is profound and her gender discussion can be extraordinary, but she is working within her own culture and her own writing culture.

The historian in me wants to analyse the cultural frameworks and work out the choices women are actually given through reading genre fiction. The feminist in me wants to see a thousand more choices open and everyone achieving their potential and having happy lives regardless of sex or gender, and the writer in me has a personal dream and rather likes the thought of paying grocery bills.

I haven't yet succumbed to letting my dream be dominated by industry constraints, but I can see it happening if I want to move from being very small fish, given my talent is not one of those exotic and special ones society enjoys watching dream unadulterated. But if I follow industry constraints, then I betray the feminist in me by accepting different choices for my characters. I follow the story not the ideal, and the story has to fit within other stories told to make sense to the reader: my tales need familiar signposts at this moment in history. So Gillian-the-feminist is continually tangling herself and tempting betrayal and Gillian-the-writer is trying to juggle too many balls.

Gillian-the-historian is perfectly happy: she watches the whole thing and says, "very interesting the way these factors affect the cultural dynamic." The more tangles and the more balls in the air (and even the more mixed metaphors) the happier she is.

I am being very convoluted today. All I really wanted to say is that choices for women in our society and the modelling of those choices in fiction aren't nearly as straightforward as they look.



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[info]markdeniz
2006-03-23 11:43 am UTC (link)
A very interesting post and I agree with you on everything regarding Earthsea and Le Guin!

Shame there were no quails though! ;-)

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[info]gillpolack
2006-03-24 12:22 am UTC (link)
Now there are quails: your personal contribution to the post. The world will thank you for it.

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[info]markdeniz
2006-03-24 06:31 am UTC (link)
Aha, I hadn't thought of it that way! ;-)

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[info]dancingwriter
2006-03-23 03:31 pm UTC (link)
I wrestle with this a lot, too. It's very easy to be a feminist in my nonfiction writing (and a deep and abiding pleasure in being able to expose young people to women's history, literature, arts, etc.), but when I sit down to my fiction.... Sure, there's a strong female lead, and there's exploration of gender roles and all that good stuff. But what about strong secondary female characters? Maybe I should have more. And if my protagonist accepts advice from a series of men, does this diminish her agency? And of course she's from a privileged class; what kinds of choices are open to women (and men) of humbler station? On and on it goes....

I find that if I dwell too much on the desirability (or lack thereof) of the message(s) conveyed by my story, the story dies. I have to just remember that it's a story, not a sermon (who'd want to read 300 pages of one of those for fun?), and stay out of its way. Hopefully the feminism will shine through. At the same time, the work does emerge out of a cultural matrix in which feminist ideals have barely begun to be realized, so there's probably going to be some dissonance, too.

(And I have no idea if any of that made sense; I need more coffee!)

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[info]gillpolack
2006-03-24 12:43 am UTC (link)
It makes sense, and was exactly what I was saying.

The only way you can feed that much social theory into a novel and have it work is if you have exactly the right type of mind (why I mentioned Le Guin) and even then, only some things come through. None of us want to write polemic unless that polemic exactly reflects the viewpoint of a character and you seldom get genuine choice-expansion through polemic anyhow. You have to *show* new realities, demonstrate that they are feasible and what their results are. So the whole thing is possible (perhaps) but terribly precarious. And in the final analysis it doesn't matter how much a story fits your politcal beliefs, if it is badly told it has to be revised or junked. bad fiction is still bad fiction, no matter how eorthy the underlying thought.

If we could just work out what was happening and then go for it, life would be easier. It is not that kind of conflict, though. Successful stories mostly work *within* cultural norms and only challenge them in quite specific ways. Successful feminism subverts the norms that don't match our ideology. These two parts of our selves only meet at the very edges.

I get told to write fiction that will subvert the paradigms. Other feminists tell me about the power of fiction to change universes. I say back "The only people who will take this fiction on board are the people who have already accepted the subverted paradigm."

I wish I were one of those amazing authors who can change the world and still write something with popular appeal, but my talent doesn't lie in that direction. This is why writing becomes an ongoing negotiation of myself with myself on really fundamental issues.

I took time out for 15 years, trying not to write fiction at all, but that doesn't work either. Feminism is about where I want the world to be, but writing is about how my soul comunicates with the world: I can't forsake either.

No wonder the historian in me chuckles merrily and analyses the whole mess.

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[info]exp_err
2006-03-24 02:35 am UTC (link)
I would argue that telling a good story must come first in fiction. If you don't tell a good story, people aren't going to read your story and if they do read it, they aren't going to get anything out of it - neither enjoyment nor challenging ideas. Feminist fiction is good, but if it is to succeed in challenging, raising awareness or changing ideas, it needs to be *good* feminist fiction - which means it must tell an interesting story about characters we care about in a world that we can believe. Le Guin is very good at this.

Heinlein pushed another agenda in his stories - that of the libertarian right. I bring this up as an example because he was a good writer (by the lights of what he was trying to achieve) with a subversive message that wouldn't appeal to you or me. Sometimes he succeeded because he could write a compelling story (albeit with 2D and often annoying characters). Sometimes the agenda was so overt that the whole universe seemed skewed to make the ideology work - and that's when his stories didn't work.

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Feminism and popular fiction
(Anonymous)
2006-03-24 09:07 am UTC (link)
I don't agree. I think popular fiction presents women with a wide range of choices. It was factual history books that seemed limiting to me. A few decades ago they talked about working women's history, if at all, as if all working women were oppressed and stupid. I come from a working class family and my grandmother was one of 12 children, 10 of them girls. Most of them ruled the roost with a rod of iron and the men toed the line most of the time. My great-grandmother ruled everyone in the family, men and women alike.



So when I used to read factual history books a few decades ago, as I was preparing myself to write historical fiction, I'd yell, 'No! It wasn't like that!' and toss some books away indignantly. Since then women's history has been rewritten, thank goodness, but even so, not usually from 'inside', more often from a middle-class educated woman's perspective.



This drew me to write my own historical novels about working class women from Lancashire, where I grew up - and they've been commercially successful. What's more, I regard myself as a dyed-in-the-wool feminist, even worked as an Equal Opportunity Officer for a time. My intrepid heroines push the boundaries hard from 1730 to 1930 eg in WWI on the home front, and don't allow themselves to be shovelled back into housewifely boxes at the end of the war, either. Try some samples on www.annajacobs.com



Finally, I read three novels per week on average, mainly popular fiction, and the heroines of a fair proportion of them are nicely 'liberated' IMHO.

I shouldn't finish without saying that I enjoyed the stimulation of your article, whether I agreed with you or not.

Anna Jacobs

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Re: Feminism and popular fiction
[info]gillpolack
2006-03-26 12:32 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for visiting, and for your comments. One day, I would like to meet up wiht you and sit down over coffee and work out our definitions, because this is one of those instances where we may sound as if we are saying opposites and it could be that we are, or it could be that we actually agree. I would love to know which. There is a devil of definitions and jargon, I think.

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[info]shewhomust
2006-03-28 01:38 pm UTC (link)
Joining in the chorus of "What an interesting discussion!"

LeGuin is a fascinating example, because these are clearly questions that she engages with as her career progresses: The Wizard of Earthsea prods at the racial stereotypes of conventional fantasy, but accepts its gender role definitions, The Tombs of Atuan recognises this, and offers an "it's different for girls" take on the same structure - and I love both of those books very much. Later, in Tehanu, she depicts that set-up with a more overtly feminist gloss, and produces a lesser book (and I don't think I'm just saying that because it seems to retract the satisfactoy endings of the earlier books).

Elsewhere, I'm uncomfortable with historical novels whose women characters are strong in a modern way: women who are feisty and independent because they have never learned to be otherwise, rather than women who have grown up within their time and learned how to deal with it - or who know what it costs to make the break with what is expected of them. What interests me in historical fiction is precisely that it's a way of considering what is constant in human nature, and what is a product of our times.

(But I know that I am not a mass market, and you won't get rich - or even solvent - writing books that appeal to me!)

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[info]gillpolack
2006-03-29 04:22 am UTC (link)
I agree with you about the later books in the Earthsea world. It is almost as if she changed the world to encompass her changed perceptions.

The historical novel stuff is a vexed question because there *were* women at other times who were modern-seeming. The question is how they are depicted. Some writers are exceptionally clever and fit the personality to the times and it works, and some distort the way the period is shown to give the personality traits that modern feel. Some writers know what they are doing, and some just *think* they know what they are doing. And sometimes the modernity of the heroine is intentional - a bridge to the reader. And important as a way for the reader to enter into an alien environment. At times like this both feminist and historian complain but the writer says "Yes, this is a necessary part of the narrative." Readers always need some way into the story and an accessible character is often a good writing choice, even if it entirely makes Gillian-the-historian weep.

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